diff --git a/src/bootsupport/include_modules.config b/src/bootsupport/include_modules.config
index 694efa4b..1ba6c227 100644
--- a/src/bootsupport/include_modules.config
+++ b/src/bootsupport/include_modules.config
@@ -8,6 +8,9 @@ set bootsupport_modules [list\
     modules punkcheck\
     modules punk::ns\
     modules punk::cap\
+    modules punk::cap::handlers::caphandler\
+    modules punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs\
+    modules punk::cap::handlers::templates\
     modules punk::du\
     modules punk::mix\
     modules punk::mix::base\
diff --git a/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
index 37529a9d..4e4dc6d4 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk-0.1.tm
@@ -7159,7 +7159,8 @@ namespace eval punk {
 
 }
 package require punk::mod
-punk::mod::cli set_alias pmod
+#punk::mod::cli set_alias pmod
+punk::mod::cli set_alias app
 
 package require punk::mix
 punk::mix::cli set_alias pmix 
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/cap-999999.0a1.0.tm
index bf36180c..948dd6d9 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/cap-999999.0a1.0.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/cap-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -35,9 +35,9 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
     variable pkgcapsdeclared [dict create] 
     variable pkgcapsaccepted [dict create]
     variable caps [dict create]
-    if {[info commands [namespace current]::callbackbase] eq ""} {
-        oo::class create [namespace current]::callbackbase {
-            method pkg_register {pkg capdict fullcapabilitylist} {
+    if {[info commands [namespace current]::interface_caphandler.registry] eq ""} {
+        oo::class create [namespace current]::interface_caphandler.registry {
+            method pkg_register {pkg capname capdict fullcapabilitylist} {
                 #handler may override and return 0 (indicating don't register)e.g if pkg capdict data wasn't valid
                 #overridden handler must be able to handle multiple calls for same pkg - but it may return 1 or 0 as it wishes. 
                 return 1 ;#default to permit 
@@ -46,6 +46,20 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
                 return ;#unregistration return is ignored - review
             }
         }
+
+        oo::class create [namespace current]::interface_capprovider.registration {
+            method get_declarations {} {
+                error "interface_capprovider.registration not implemented by provider"
+            }
+        }
+        oo::class create [namespace current]::interface_capprovider.provider {
+            method register {{capabilityname_glob *}} {
+
+            }
+            method capabilities {} {
+
+            }
+        }
     }
     #Not all capabilities have to be registered.
     #A package registering as a provider using register_package can include capabilitynames in it's capabilitylist which have no associated capnamespace (handler).
@@ -74,7 +88,7 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
         }
         if {[llength [set providers [dict get $caps $capname providers]]]} {
             #some provider(s) were in place before the handler was registered
-            if {[set cb [get_handler_callback $capname]] ne ""} {
+            if {[set capreg [get_caphandler_registry $capname]] ne ""} {
                 foreach pkg $providers {
                     set fullcapabilitylist [dict get $pkgcapsdeclared $pkg]
                     foreach capspec $fullcapabilitylist {
@@ -82,7 +96,7 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
                         if {$cn ne $capname} {
                             continue
                         }
-                        set do_register [$cb pkg_register $pkg $capdict $fullcapabilitylist]
+                        set do_register [$capreg pkg_register $pkg $capdict $fullcapabilitylist]
                         set list_accepted [dict get $pkgcapsaccepted $pkg]
                         if {$do_register} {
                             if {$capspec ni $list_accepted} {
@@ -120,6 +134,10 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
         variable caps
         return [dict exists $caps $capname]
     }
+    proc has_handler {capname} {
+        variable caps
+        return [expr {[dict exists $caps $capname handler] && [dict get $caps $capname handler] ne ""}]
+    }
     proc get_handler {capname} {
         variable caps
         if {[dict exists $caps $capname]} {
@@ -127,12 +145,27 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
         }
         return "" 
     }
-    proc get_handler_callback {capname} {
-        set ns [get_handler $capname]
-        if {[namespace exists $ns]} {
-            if {[info exists ${ns}::callback]} {
-                if {[info object isa object ${ns}::callback]} {
-                    return ${ns}::callback
+
+    #dispatch
+    #proc call_handler {capname args} {
+    #    if {[set handler [get_handler $capname]] eq ""} {
+    #        error "punk::cap::call_handler $capname $args - no handler registered for capability $capname"
+    #    }
+    #    ${handler}::[lindex $args 0] {*}[lrange $args 1 end]
+    #}
+    proc call_handler {capname args} {
+        if {[set handler [get_handler $capname]] eq ""} {
+            error "punk::cap::call_handler $capname $args - no handler registered for capability $capname"
+        }
+        set obj ${handler}::$capname
+        $obj [lindex $args 0] {*}[lrange $args 1 end]
+    }
+    proc get_caphandler_registry {capname} {
+        set ns [get_handler $capname]::capsystem
+        if {[namespace exists ${ns}]} {
+            if {[info command ${ns}::caphandler.registry] ne ""} {
+                if {[info object isa object ${ns}::caphandler.registry]} {
+                    return ${ns}::caphandler.registry
                 }
             }
         }
@@ -172,11 +205,11 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
                 dict set caps $capname [dict create handler "" providers [list]]
                 set cap_pkgs [list]
             }
-            #todo  - if there's a cap handler - call it's init/validation callback for the pkg
+            #todo  - if there's a caphandler - call it's init/validation callback for the pkg
             set do_register 1 ;#default assumption unless vetoed by handler
-            if {[set cb [get_handler_callback $capname]] ne ""} {
-                #Note that callback must be able to handle multiple calls for same pkg
-                set do_register [$cb pkg_register $pkg $capdict $capabilitylist]
+            if {[set capreg [get_caphandler_registry $capname]] ne ""} {
+                #Note that the interface_caphandler.registry instance must be able to handle multiple calls for same pkg
+                set do_register [$capreg pkg_register $pkg $capname $capdict $capabilitylist]
             }
             if {$do_register} {
                 if {$pkg ni $cap_pkgs} {
@@ -186,7 +219,15 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
                 dict lappend pkgcapsaccepted $pkg $capspec ;#if pkg is being registered prior to handler-registration - the handler may undo this entry
             }
         }
-        dict set pkgcapsdeclared $pkg $capabilitylist
+        #another call to register_pkg with same pkg may have been made (most likely with different capname) so we must append
+        #dict lappend pkgcapsdeclared $pkg $capabilitylist
+        if {[dict exists $pkgcapsdeclared $pkg]} {
+            set caps [dict get $pkgcapsdeclared $pkg]
+            lappend caps {*}$capabilitylist
+            dict set pkgcapsdeclared $pkg $caps
+        } else {
+            dict set pkgcapsdeclared $pkg $capabilitylist
+        }
     }
     proc unregister_package {pkg} {
         variable pkgcapsdeclared	
@@ -204,13 +245,13 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
                 set pkglist [dict get $cap_info providers]
                 set posn [lsearch $pkglist $pkg]
                 if {$posn >= 0} {
-                    if {[set cb [get_handler_callback $capname]] ne ""} {
+                    if {[set capreg [get_caphandler_registry $capname]] ne ""} {
                         #review
                         # it seems not useful to allow the callback to block this unregister action
                         #the pkg may have multiple datasets for each capname so callback will only be called for first dataset we encounter  
                         #vetoing unregister would make this more complex for no particular advantage 
                         #if per capability deregistration required this should probably be a separate thing (e.g disable_capability?)
-                        $cb pkg_unregister $pkg
+                        $capreg pkg_unregister $pkg
                     }
                     set pkglist [lreplace $pkglist $posn $posn]
                     dict set caps $capname providers $pkglist
@@ -319,6 +360,13 @@ namespace eval punk::cap {
         return $result
     }	
 
+    proc capability {capname} {
+        variable caps
+        if {[dict exists $caps $capname]} {
+            return [dict get $caps $capname]
+        }
+        return ""
+    }
     proc capabilities {{glob *}} {
         variable caps
         set capnames [lsort [dict keys $caps $glob]]
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/caphandler-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/caphandler-999999.0a1.0.tm
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..8fa45211
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/caphandler-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
+# -*- tcl -*-
+# Maintenance Instruction: leave the 999999.xxx.x as is and use 'pmix make' or src/make.tcl to update from <pkg>-buildversion.txt
+#
+# Please consider using a BSD or MIT style license for greatest compatibility with the Tcl ecosystem.
+# Code using preferred Tcl licenses can be eligible for inclusion in Tcllib, Tklib and the punk package repository.
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+# (C) 2023
+#
+# @@ Meta Begin
+# Application punk::cap::handlers::caphandler 999999.0a1.0
+# Meta platform     tcl
+# Meta license      <unspecified>
+# @@ Meta End
+
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+##  Requirements
+##e.g package require frobz
+
+
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::caphandler {
+
+
+
+
+}
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+##  Ready   
+package provide punk::cap::handlers::caphandler [namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::caphandler {
+    variable pkg punk::cap::handlers::caphandler
+    variable version
+    set version 999999.0a1.0 
+}]
+return
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/scriptlibs-buildversion.txt b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/caphandler-buildversion.txt
similarity index 100%
rename from src/modules/punk/cap/scriptlibs-buildversion.txt
rename to src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/caphandler-buildversion.txt
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm
similarity index 75%
rename from src/modules/punk/cap/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm
rename to src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm
index 7d97b548..b66518a1 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/cap/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/scriptlibs-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 # (C) 2023
 #
 # @@ Meta Begin
-# Application punk::cap::scriptlibs 999999.0a1.0
+# Application punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs 999999.0a1.0
 # Meta platform     tcl
 # Meta license      <unspecified>
 # @@ Meta End
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
 
 
 # ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-namespace eval punk::cap::scriptlibs {
+namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs {
 
 
 
@@ -44,8 +44,8 @@ namespace eval punk::cap::scriptlibs {
 
 # ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
 ##  Ready   
-package provide punk::cap::scriptlibs [namespace eval punk::cap::scriptlibs {
-    variable pkg punk::cap::scriptlibs
+package provide punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs [namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs {
+    variable pkg punk::cap::handlers::scriptlibs
     variable version
     set version 999999.0a1.0 
 }]
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/templates-buildversion.txt b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/scriptlibs-buildversion.txt
similarity index 100%
rename from src/modules/punk/cap/templates-buildversion.txt
rename to src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/scriptlibs-buildversion.txt
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..aa1cfde0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -0,0 +1,127 @@
+# -*- tcl -*-
+# Maintenance Instruction: leave the 999999.xxx.x as is and use 'pmix make' or src/make.tcl to update from <pkg>-buildversion.txt
+#
+# Please consider using a BSD or MIT style license for greatest compatibility with the Tcl ecosystem.
+# Code using preferred Tcl licenses can be eligible for inclusion in Tcllib, Tklib and the punk package repository.
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+# (C) 2023
+#
+# @@ Meta Begin
+# Application punk::cap::handlers::templates 999999.0a1.0
+# Meta platform     tcl
+# Meta license      <unspecified>
+# @@ Meta End
+
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+##  Requirements
+##e.g package require frobz
+
+
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+#register using:
+# punk::cap::register_capabilityname templates ::punk::cap::handlers::templates 
+
+#By convention and for consistency, we don't register here during package loading - but require the calling app to do it.
+# (even if it tends to be done immediately after package require anyway)
+# registering capability handlers can involve validating existing provider data and is best done explicitly as required.
+# It is also possible for a capability handler to be registered to handle more than one capabilityname
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::templates {
+    namespace eval capsystem {
+        #interfaces for punk::cap to call into
+        if {[info commands caphandler.registry] eq ""} {
+            punk::cap::interface_caphandler.registry create caphandler.registry
+            oo::objdefine caphandler.registry {
+                method pkg_register {pkg capname capdict caplist} {
+                    #caplist may not be complete set - which somewhat reduces its utility here regarding any decisions based on the context of this capname/capdict (review - remove this arg?)
+                    if {![dict exists $capdict relpath]} {
+                        puts stderr "punk::cap::handlers::templates::capsystem::pkg_register WARNING - package '$pkg'  is attempting to register with punk::cap as a provider of 'templates' capability, but is missing 'relpath' key"
+                        return 0
+                    }
+                    set provide_statement [package ifneeded $pkg [package require $pkg]]
+                    set tmfile [lindex $provide_statement end]
+                    if {![file exists $tmfile]} {
+                        puts stderr "punk::cap::handlers::templates::capsystem::pkg_register WARNING - unable to determine base folder for package '$pkg' which is attempting to register with punk::cap as a provider of 'templates' capability"
+                        return 0
+                    }
+                    set tpath [file normalize [file join $tmfile [dict get $capdict relpath]]] ;#relpath is relative to the tm *file* - not it's containing folder
+                    if {![file isdirectory $tpath]} {
+                        puts stderr "punk::cap::handlers::templates::capsystem pkg_register WARNING - unable to determine relpath location [dict get $capdict relpath] for package '$pkg' which is attempting to register with punk::cap as a provider of 'templates' capability"
+                    }
+                    if {$capname ni $::punk::cap::handlers::templates::handled_caps} {
+                        lappend ::punk::cap::handlers::templates::handled_caps $capname
+                    }
+                    if {[info commands punk::cap::handlers::templates::$capname] eq ""} {
+                        punk::cap::handlers::templates::api create ::punk::cap::handlers::templates::$capname $capname
+                    }
+                    set cname [string map [list . _] $capname]
+                    upvar ::punk::cap::handlers::templates::pkg_folders_$cname pfolders
+                    dict lappend pfolders $pkg $tpath
+                    return 1
+                }
+                method pkg_unregister {pkg} {
+                    upvar ::punk::cap::handlers::templates::handled_caps hcaps
+                    foreach capname $hcaps {
+                        set cname [string map [list . _] $capname]
+                        upvar ::punk::cap::handlers::templates::pkg_folders_$cname pfolders
+                        dict unset pfolders $pkg
+                        #destroy api objects?
+                    }
+                }
+            } 
+        }
+    }
+
+    variable handled_caps [list]
+    #variable pkg_folders [dict create]
+
+    # -- --- --- --- --- --- ---
+    #handler api for clients of this capability - called via punk::cap::call_handler <capname> <method> ?args?
+    # -- --- --- --- --- --- ---
+    namespace export *
+
+    oo::class create api {
+        #return a dict keyed on folder with source pkg as value
+        constructor {capname} {
+            variable capabilityname
+            variable cname
+            set cname [string map [list . _] $capname]
+            set capabilityname $capname
+        }
+        method folders {} {
+            variable capabilityname
+            variable cname
+            upvar punk::cap::handlers::templates::pkg_folders_$cname pkg_folders
+            package require punk::cap
+            set capinfo [punk::cap::capability $capabilityname]
+            # e.g {punk.templates {handler punk::mix::templates providers ::somepkg}}
+
+            #use the order of pkgs as registered with punk::cap - may have been modified with punk::cap::promote_package/demote_package
+            set pkgs [dict get $capinfo providers]
+            set folderdict [dict create]
+            foreach pkg $pkgs { 
+                foreach pfolder [dict get $pkg_folders $pkg] {
+                    dict set folderdict $pfolder [list source $pkg sourcetype package]
+                }
+            }
+            return $folderdict
+        }
+    }
+
+
+}
+
+
+# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
+##  Ready   
+package provide punk::cap::handlers::templates [namespace eval punk::cap::handlers::templates {
+    variable pkg punk::cap::handlers::templates
+    variable version
+    set version 999999.0a1.0 
+}]
+return
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-buildversion.txt b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-buildversion.txt
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..f47d01c8
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/modules/punk/cap/handlers/templates-buildversion.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,3 @@
+0.1.0
+#First line must be a semantic version number
+#all other lines are ignored.
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/cap/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/cap/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
deleted file mode 100644
index 85d61284..00000000
--- a/src/modules/punk/cap/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,102 +0,0 @@
-# -*- tcl -*-
-# Maintenance Instruction: leave the 999999.xxx.x as is and use 'pmix make' or src/make.tcl to update from <pkg>-buildversion.txt
-#
-# Please consider using a BSD or MIT style license for greatest compatibility with the Tcl ecosystem.
-# Code using preferred Tcl licenses can be eligible for inclusion in Tcllib, Tklib and the punk package repository.
-# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-# (C) 2023
-#
-# @@ Meta Begin
-# Application punk::cap::templates 999999.0a1.0
-# Meta platform     tcl
-# Meta license      <unspecified>
-# @@ Meta End
-
-
-
-# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-##  Requirements
-##e.g package require frobz
-
-
-
-
-# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-#register using:
-# punk::cap::register_capabilityname templates ::punk::cap::templates 
-
-#By convention and for consistency, we don't register here during package loading - but require the calling app to do it.
-# (even if it tends to be done immediately after package require anyway)
-# registering capability handlers can involve validating existing provider data and is best done explicitly as required.
-# It is also possible for a capability handler to be registered to handle more than one capabilityname
-
-# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-namespace eval punk::cap::templates {
-    variable callback
-    set callback [namespace current]::callback
-    if {[info commands $callback] eq ""} {
-        punk::cap::callbackbase create $callback
-        oo::objdefine $callback {
-            method pkg_register {pkg capdict fullcaplist} {
-                if {![dict exists $capdict relpath]} {
-                    return 0
-                }
-                return 1
-            }
-            method pkg_unregister {pkg} {
-
-            }
-        } 
-    }
-    #return a dict keyed on folder with source pkg as value
-    proc folders {} {
-        package require punk::cap
-        set caplist [punk::cap::capabilities templates]
-        # e.g {templates {punk::mix::templates ::somepkg}}
-        set templates_record [lindex $caplist 0]
-        set pkgs [dict get [lindex $templates_record 1] providers]
-
-        set folderdict [dict create]
-        foreach pkg $pkgs { 
-            set provide_statement [package ifneeded $pkg [package require $pkg]]
-            set tmfile [lindex $provide_statement end]
-            if {![file exists $tmfile]} {
-                puts stderr "punk::cap::templates::folders WARNING - unable to determine base folder for package '$pkg' which is registered with punk::cap as a provider of 'templates' capability"						
-                continue
-            }
-
-            set caplist [dict get [punk::cap::pkgcap $pkg] accepted]
-            set templates_entries [lsearch -all -inline -index 0 $caplist templates] ;#we generally expect only one - but if multiple exist - use them 
-            foreach templates_info $templates_entries {
-                lassign $templates_info _templates templates_dict
-                if {[dict exists $templates_dict relpath]} {
-                    #set tmdir [file dirname [lindex $provide_statement end]]
-                    set tpath [file normalize [file join $tmfile [dict get $templates_dict relpath]]] ;#relpath is relative to the tm *file* - not it's containing folder
-                    #relpath relative to file is important for tm files that are zip/tar based containers
-                    if {[file isdirectory $tpath]} {
-                        dict set folderdict $tpath [list source $pkg sourcetype package]
-                    } else {
-                        puts stderr "punk::cap::templates::folders WARNING - unable to determine relpath location [dict get $templates_dict relpath] for package '$pkg' which is registered with punk::cap as a provider of 'templates' capability"						
-                    }
-                } else {
-                    puts stderr "punk::cap::templates::folders WARNING - registered pkg '$pkg' has capability 'templates' but has an entry with no 'relpath' key - unable to use as source of templates"
-                }
-            }
-        }
-        return $folderdict
-    }
-
-
-}
-
-
-
-
-# ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
-##  Ready   
-package provide punk::cap::templates [namespace eval punk::cap::templates {
-    variable pkg punk::cap::templates
-    variable version
-    set version 999999.0a1.0 
-}]
-return
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
index 2bb4e096..d09dfca8 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix-0.2.tm
@@ -1,8 +1,11 @@
 
 package require punk::cap
-package require punk::cap::templates ;#handler for templates cap
-# punk::cap::register_capabilityname templates ::punk::cap::templates 
-package require punk::mix::templates ;#registers as provider pkg for 'templates' capability with punk::cap
+
+package require punk::cap::handlers::templates ;#handler for templates cap
+punk::cap::register_capabilityname punk.templates ::punk::cap::handlers::templates 
+
+package require punk::mix::templates ;#registers as provider pkg for 'punk.templates' capability with punk::cap
+#punk::mix::templates::provider register *
 
 package require punk::mix::base
 package require punk::mix::cli
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
index 656bda72..fcfaf56b 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/base-0.1.tm
@@ -362,9 +362,13 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::base {
         proc get_template_basefolders {{scriptpath ""}} {
             #1 lowest precedence - templates from packages (ordered by order in which packages registered with punk::cap)
             set folderdict [dict create]
-            set template_folder_dict [punk::cap::templates::folders]
-            dict for {dir folderinfo} $template_folder_dict {
-                dict set folderdict $dir $folderinfo
+
+            package require punk::cap
+            if {[punk::cap::has_handler punk.templates]} {
+                set template_folder_dict [punk::cap::call_handler punk.templates folders]
+                dict for {dir folderinfo} $template_folder_dict {
+                    dict set folderdict $dir $folderinfo
+                }
             }
 
             #2 middle precedence - mixtemplates folder relative to cwd
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/commandset/layout-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix/commandset/layout-999999.0a1.0.tm
index bb370510..9dc3190d 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix/commandset/layout-999999.0a1.0.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/commandset/layout-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ namespace eval punk::mix::commandset::layout {
                 set glob *
             }
             set layouts [list]
-            #set tplfolderdict [punk::cap::templates::folders]
+            #set tplfolderdict [punk::cap::call_handler punk.templates folders]
             set tplfolderdict [punk::mix::base::lib::get_template_basefolders]
             dict for {tdir folderinfo} $tplfolderdict {
                 set layout_base $tdir/layouts
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
index 34f23a5c..f8ae512f 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mix/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mix/templates-999999.0a1.0.tm
@@ -23,12 +23,43 @@ package require punk::cap
 
 # ++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++
 namespace eval punk::mix::templates {
+    variable pkg punk::mix::templates
+    variable cap_provider
+
     punk::cap::register_package punk::mix::templates [list\
-        {templates {relpath ../templates}}\
-        {templates {relpath ../templates2}}\
-        {templates {boguskey ../templates}}\
+        {punk.templates {relpath ../templates}}\
     ]
-
+    namespace eval capsystem {
+        if {[info commands capprovider.registration] eq ""} {
+            punk::cap::interface_capprovider.registration create capprovider.registration
+            oo::objdefine capprovider.registration {
+                method get_declarations {} {
+                    set decls [list]
+                    lappend decls punk.templates {relpath ../templates}
+                    lappend decls punk.templates {relpath ../templates2}
+                    return $decls
+                }
+            }
+        }
+    }
+
+    if {[info commands provider] eq ""} {
+        punk::cap::interface_capprovider.provider create provider
+        oo::objdefine provider {
+            method register {{capabilityname_glob *}} {
+                #puts  registering punk::mix::templates $capabilityname
+                next
+            }
+            method capabilities {} {
+                next
+            }
+        }
+    }
+
+    # -- ---
+    #provider api
+    # -- ---
+    #none - declarations only
 }
 
 
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/mod-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk/mod-0.1.tm
index 5ffa4855..5c211781 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/mod-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/mod-0.1.tm
@@ -57,8 +57,6 @@ namespace eval punk::mod::cli {
                 puts stderr "punk::apps::app missing apps_folder:'$containerfolder' Ensure apps_folder is set in punk::config"
             }
         }
-        dict set appinfo bases $bases
-        dict set appinfo mains $mains
         dict set appinfo versions $versions
         #todo - natsort!
         set sorted_versions [lsort $versions]
@@ -67,6 +65,9 @@ namespace eval punk::mod::cli {
             set latest [lindex $sorted_versions 1
         }
         dict set appinfo latest $latest
+
+        dict set appinfo bases $bases
+        dict set appinfo mains $mains
         return $appinfo
     }
     
@@ -96,13 +97,29 @@ namespace eval punk::mod::cli {
         }
     }
 
-    
-    proc run {appname} {
+    #todo - way to launch as separate process 
+    # solo-opts only before appname - args following appname are passed to the app
+    proc run {args} {
+        set nameposn [lsearch -not $args -*]
+        if {$nameposn < 0} {
+            error "punkapp::run unable to determine application name"
+        }
+        set appname [lindex $args $nameposn]
+        set controlargs [lrange $args 0 $nameposn-1]
+        set appargs [lrange $args $nameposn+1 end]
+
         set appinfo [punk::mod::cli::getraw $appname]
         if {[llength [dict get $appinfo versions]]} {
             set ver [dict get $appinfo latest]
             puts stdout "info: $appinfo"
-            tailcall source [dict get $appinfo mains $ver]
+            set ::argc [llength $appargs]
+            set ::argv $appargs
+            source [dict get $appinfo mains $ver]
+            if {"-hideconsole" in $controlargs} {
+                puts stderr "attempting console hide"
+                #todo - something better - a callback when window mapped?
+                after 500 {::punkapp::hide_console}
+            }
             return $appinfo
         } else {
             error "punk::mod::cli unable to run '$appname'. main.tcl not found in [dict get $appinfo bases]"
diff --git a/src/modules/punk/repl-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punk/repl-0.1.tm
index 1583dd97..5deca02c 100644
--- a/src/modules/punk/repl-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punk/repl-0.1.tm
@@ -644,13 +644,18 @@ proc repl::get_prompt_config {} {
     }
     return [list resultprompt $resultprompt nlprompt $nlprompt infoprompt $infoprompt debugprompt $debugprompt]
 }
-proc repl::start {inchan} {
+proc repl::start {inchan args} {
     variable commandstr
     variable running
     variable reading
     variable done
     variable startinstance
     variable loopinstance
+    if {[namespace exists ::punkapp]} {
+        if {[dict exists $args -defaultresult]} {
+            set ::punkapp::default_result [dict get $args -defaultresult]
+        }
+    }
     incr startinstance
     set loopinstance 0
     set running 1
@@ -663,6 +668,18 @@ proc repl::start {inchan} {
     #todo - override exit?
     after 0 ::repl::post_operations
     vwait repl::post_operations_done
+    if {[namespace exists ::punkapp]} {
+        #todo check and get punkapp::result array - but what key?
+        if {[info exists ::punkapp::result(shell)]} {
+            set temp $::punkapp::result(shell)
+            unset ::punkapp::result(shell)
+            return $temp
+        } elseif {[info exists ::punkapp::default_result]} {
+            set temp $::punkapp::default_result
+            unset ::punkapp::default_result
+            return $temp
+        }
+    }
     return 0
 }
 proc repl::post_operations {} {
diff --git a/src/modules/punkapp-0.1.tm b/src/modules/punkapp-0.1.tm
index d20319c6..baf01254 100644
--- a/src/modules/punkapp-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/punkapp-0.1.tm
@@ -6,6 +6,7 @@ package provide punkapp [namespace eval punkapp {
 }]
 
 namespace eval punkapp {
+    variable result
     variable waiting "no" 
     proc hide_dot_window {} {
         #alternative to wm withdraw .
@@ -49,6 +50,8 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
     }
     proc exit {{toplevel ""}} {
         variable waiting
+        variable result
+        variable default_result
         set toplevels [get_toplevels]
         if {[string length $toplevel]} {
             set wposn [lsearch $toplevels $toplevel]
@@ -64,7 +67,13 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
             } else {
                 puts stderr "punkapp::exit called without toplevel - exiting"
                 if {$waiting ne "no"} {
-                    set waiting "done"
+                    if {[info exists result(shell)]} {
+                        set temp [set result(shell)]
+                        unset result(shell)
+                        set waiting $temp
+                    } else {
+                        set waiting ""
+                    }
                 } else {
                     ::exit
                 }
@@ -78,7 +87,21 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
                 show_console
             } else {
                 if {$waiting ne "no"} {
-                    set waiting "done"
+                    if {[info exists result(shell)]} {
+                        set temp [set result(shell)]
+                        unset result(shell)
+                        set waiting $temp
+                    } elseif {[info exists result($toplevel)]} {
+                        set temp [set result($toplevel)]
+                        unset result($toplevel)
+                        set waiting $temp
+                    } elseif {[info exists default_result]} {
+                        set temp $default_result
+                        unset default_result
+                        set waiting $temp
+                    } else {
+                        set waiting ""
+                    }
                 } else {
                     ::exit
                 }
@@ -92,8 +115,12 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
         }
         destroy $toplevel
     }
-    proc wait {{msg "waiting"}} {
+    proc wait {args} {
         variable waiting
+        variable default_result
+        if {[dict exists $args -defaultresult]} {
+            set default_result [dict get $args -defaultresult]
+        }
         foreach t [punkapp::get_toplevels] {
             if {[wm protocol $t WM_DELETE_WINDOW] eq ""} {
                 wm protocol $t WM_DELETE_WINDOW [list punkapp::close_window $t]
@@ -103,8 +130,9 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
             puts stderr "repl eventloop seems to be running - punkapp::wait not required"
         } else {
             if {$waiting eq "no"} {
-                set waiting $msg
+                set waiting "waiting"
                 vwait ::punkapp::waiting
+                return $::punkapp::waiting
             }
         }
     } 
@@ -165,10 +193,23 @@ namespace eval punkapp {
             }
         }
         if {$::tcl_platform(platform) eq "windows"} {
+            #hide won't work for certain consoles cush as conemu,wezterm - and doesn't really make sense for tabbed windows anyway.
+            #It would be nice if we could tell the console window to hide just the relevant tab - or the whole window if only one tab present - but this is unlikely to be possible in any standard way.
+            #an ordinary cmd.exe or pwsh.exe or powershell.exe window can be hidden ok though.
+            #(but with wezterm - process is cmd.exe - but it has style popup and can't be hidden with a twapi::hide_window call)
             package require twapi
             set h [twapi::get_console_window]
-            twapi::hide_window $h 
-            return 1
+            set pid [twapi::get_window_process $h]
+            set pinfo [twapi::get_process_info $pid -name] 
+            set pname [dict get $pinfo -name]
+            set wstyle [twapi::get_window_style $h]
+            if {$pname in [list cmd.exe pwsh.exe powershell.exe] && "popup" ni $wstyle} {
+                twapi::hide_window $h 
+                return 1
+            } else {
+                puts stderr "punkapp::hide_console unable to hide this type of console window"
+                return 0
+            }
         } else {
             #todo
             puts stderr "punkapp::hide_console unimplemented on this platform (todo)"
diff --git a/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm b/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
index 66e1194b..33999fbc 100644
--- a/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
+++ b/src/modules/shellfilter-0.1.8.tm
@@ -1012,7 +1012,10 @@ namespace eval shellfilter::stack {
         variable pipelines
         return [dict keys $pipelines]
     }
-
+    proc item {pipename} {
+        variable pipelines
+        return [dict get $pipelines $pipename]
+    }
     proc status {{pipename *} args} {
         variable pipelines
 
@@ -1039,7 +1042,11 @@ namespace eval shellfilter::stack {
 
         foreach k [dict keys $pipelines $pipename] {
             set lc [dict get $pipelines $k device localchan]
-            set tid [dict get $pipelines $k device workertid]
+            if {[dict exists $k device workertid]} {
+                set tid [dict get $pipelines $k device workertid]
+            } else {
+                set tid ""
+            }
 
 
             set col1 [overtype::left $ac1 $k]
@@ -1253,7 +1260,6 @@ namespace eval shellfilter::stack {
             dict set pipelines $pipename stack $stack
         }
         show_pipeline $pipename -note "after_remove $remove_id"
-
         return 1
     }
 
diff --git a/src/modules/shellrun-0.1.tm b/src/modules/shellrun-0.1.tm
index 2e4b0f98..b05afaf4 100644
--- a/src/modules/shellrun-0.1.tm
+++ b/src/modules/shellrun-0.1.tm
@@ -30,10 +30,18 @@ namespace eval shellrun {
     } else {
         lassign [list "" "" "" ""] syslog_stdout syslog_stderr logfile_stdout logfile_stderr
     }
-    set outdevice [shellfilter::stack::new punkshout -settings [list -tag "punkshout" -buffering none -raw 1 -syslog $syslog_stdout -file $logfile_stdout]]
-    set out [dict get $outdevice localchan]
-    set errdevice [shellfilter::stack::new punksherr -settings [list -tag "punksherr" -buffering none -raw 1 -syslog $syslog_stderr -file $logfile_stderr]]
-    set err [dict get $errdevice localchan]
+    if {"punkshout" ni [shellfilter::stack::items]} {
+        set outdevice [shellfilter::stack::new punkshout -settings [list -tag "punkshout" -buffering none -raw 1 -syslog $syslog_stdout -file $logfile_stdout]]
+        set out [dict get $outdevice localchan]
+    } else {
+        set out [dict get [shellfilter::stack::item punkshout] device localchan]
+    }
+    if {"punksherr" ni [shellfilter::stack::items]} {
+        set errdevice [shellfilter::stack::new punksherr -settings [list -tag "punksherr" -buffering none -raw 1 -syslog $syslog_stderr -file $logfile_stderr]]
+        set err [dict get $errdevice localchan]
+    } else {
+        set err  [dict get [shellfilter::stack::item punksherr] device localchan]
+    }
 
     namespace import ::punk::ansi::a+ 
     namespace import ::punk::ansi::a
diff --git a/src/punk86.vfs/lib/app-shellspy/shellspy.tcl b/src/punk86.vfs/lib/app-shellspy/shellspy.tcl
index 6b0232bb..790ed94a 100644
--- a/src/punk86.vfs/lib/app-shellspy/shellspy.tcl
+++ b/src/punk86.vfs/lib/app-shellspy/shellspy.tcl
@@ -134,6 +134,9 @@ foreach p $original_tm_list {
 set ::testconfig 5
 
 namespace eval shellspy {
+    variable chanstack_stderr_redir
+    variable chanstack_stdout_redir
+
     variable commands
     proc clock_sec {} {
         return [expr {[clock millis]/1000.0}]
@@ -163,7 +166,9 @@ namespace eval shellspy {
     #redir on the shellfilter stack with no log or syslog specified acts to suppress output of stdout & stderr.
     #todo - fix shellfilter code to make this noop more efficient (avoid creating corresponding logging thread and filter?)
     #JMN
-    lassign [shellfilter::redir_output_to_log "SUPPRESS"] id_stdout_redir id_stderr_redir
+    #set redirconfig {-settings {-syslog 127.0.0.1:514 -file ""}}
+    set redirconfig {}
+    lassign [shellfilter::redir_output_to_log "SUPPRESS" {*}$redirconfig] chanstack_stdout_redir chanstack_stderr_redir
     shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "shellfilter::redir_output_to_log SUPPRESS  DONE [clock_sec]"
     
     
@@ -371,8 +376,15 @@ namespace eval shellspy {
         }
         return [dict create result $result]
     }
+
+
+    #punk86 -tk example:
+    # punk86 -tk eval "button .tk.b -text doit -command {set ::punkapp::result(shell) guiresult;punkapp::close_window .tk}; pack .tk.b;return somedefaultvalue"
     proc do_tclline {flavour args} {
-        if {$flavour eq "punk"} {
+        variable chanstack_stderr_redir
+        variable chanstack_stdout_redir
+
+        if {$flavour in [list "punk" "punkshell"]} {
             namespace eval :: {package require punk;package require shellrun}
         } elseif {$flavour in [list "tk" "tkshell"]} {
             namespace eval :: {
@@ -386,20 +398,39 @@ namespace eval shellspy {
                 wm protocol .tk WM_DELETE_WINDOW [list punkapp::close_window .tk]
             }
         }
+        #remove SUPPRESS redirection if it was in place so that shell output is visible
+        catch {
+            shellfilter::stack::remove stderr $chanstack_stderr_redir
+            shellfilter::stack::remove stdout $chanstack_stdout_redir
+        }
+        set result_is_error 0
         if {[catch {apply [list {arglist} {namespace eval :: $arglist} ::] $args}   result]} {
-            return [dict create error $result]
+            set result_is_error 1
         }
-        if {$flavour eq "tk"} {
-            namespace eval :: {punkapp::wait}
-            #todo - better return value e.g from dialog?
-        } elseif {$flavour eq "tkshell"} {
-            namespace eval :: {
+        if  {$flavour in [list "punkshell" "tkshell"]} {
+            set result [namespace eval :: [string map [list %e% $chanstack_stderr_redir %o% $chanstack_stdout_redir %r% $result] {
+                package require punk
+                package require shellrun
                 package require punk::repl
-                repl::start stdin
+                puts stdout "quit to exit"
+                repl::start stdin -defaultresult %r%
+            }]]
+        }
+
+        #todo - better exit?
+        if {$result_is_error} {
+            if {$flavour eq "tk"} {
+                return [dict create error [namespace eval :: [list punkapp::wait -defaultresult $result]]]
+                #todo - better return value e.g from dialog?
             }
-            #todo - better exit? 
+            return [dict create error $result]
+        } else {
+            if {$flavour eq "tk"} {
+                return [dict create result [namespace eval :: [list punkapp::wait -defaultresult $result]]]
+                #todo - better return value e.g from dialog?
+            }
+            return [dict create result $result]
         }
-        return [dict create result $result]
     }
     proc set_punkd {args} {
         variable shellspy_status_log
@@ -704,6 +735,8 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
         set params [do_callback_parameters script]
         dict set params -tclscript 1 ;#don't give callback a chance to omit/break this 
         dict set params -teehandle shellspy
+        #dict set params -teehandle punksh
+        
         
         set params [dict merge $params [get_channel_config $::testconfig]]
 
@@ -769,11 +802,11 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
       }
       return $exitinfo
     }
-    proc do_wsl {dist args} {
+    proc do_wsl {distdefault args} {
       variable shellspy_status_log
-      shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $dist got '$args' [llength $args]"
+      shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $distdefault got '$args' [llength $args]"
       set args [do_callback wsl {*}$args]  ;#use dist?
-      shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $dist xgot '$args'"
+      shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $distdefault xgot '$args'"
       set params [do_callback_parameters wsl]
       
       dict set params -debug 0
@@ -783,14 +816,14 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
       set id_out [shellfilter::stack::add stdout towindows -action sink-aside-locked -junction 1 -settings {}]
       
       dict set params -teehandle shellspy  ;#shellspyout shellspyerr must exist
-      set exitinfo [shellfilter::run [concat wsl -d $dist -e [shellescape $args]] {*}$params]
+      set exitinfo [shellfilter::run [concat wsl -d $distdefault -e [shellescape $args]] {*}$params]
 
 
       shellfilter::stack::remove stdout $id_out
 
 
       if {[lindex $exitinfo 0] eq "exitcode"} {
-        shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $dist returning $exitinfo"
+        shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "do_wsl $distdefault returning $exitinfo"
       }
       return $exitinfo
     }
@@ -890,7 +923,7 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
         lappend commands [list runcmduc [list sub word$i  singleopts {any}]]
     }
     #cmd with bracked args () e.g with vim shellxquote set to "("
-    lappend commands [list runcmdb [list match {^cmdb$} dispatch [list shellspy::do_in_cmdshellb %matched%] dispatchtype raw dispatchglobal 1 singleopts {any} longopts {any} pairopts {any}]]
+    lappend commands [list runcmdb [list match {^cmdb$} dispatch [list shellspy::do_in_cmdshellb] dispatchtype raw dispatchglobal 1 singleopts {any} longopts {any} pairopts {any}]]
     for {set i 0} {$i < 25} {incr i} {
         lappend commands [list runcmdb [list sub word$i  singleopts {any} longopts {any} pairopts {any}]]
     }
@@ -920,6 +953,10 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
     for {set i 0} {$i < 25} {incr i} {
         lappend commands [list tkshellline [list sub word$i  singleopts {any}]]
     }
+    lappend commands  [list punkshellline [list match {^-punkshell$} dispatch [list shellspy::do_tclline punkshell]  dispatchtype raw dispatchglobal 1 singleopts {any} longopts {any}]]
+    for {set i 0} {$i < 25} {incr i} {
+        lappend commands [list punkshellline [list sub word$i  singleopts {any}]]
+    }
 
 
     lappend commands  [list help [list match [list {^-help$} {^--help$} {^help$} {^/\?}] dispatch [list shellspy::do_help]  dispatchtype raw dispatchglobal 1 singleopts {any} longopts {any}]]
@@ -928,6 +965,9 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
     }
     ############################################################################################
 
+    #todo -noexit flag
+
+
     #echo raw args to diverted stderr before running the argument analysis
     puts -nonewline stderr "exe:[info nameofexecutable]  script:[info script] shellspy-rawargs: $::argv\n"
     set i 1
@@ -982,8 +1022,8 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
 
     #lassign [shellfilter::redir_output_to_log "SUPPRESS"] id_stdout_redir id_stderr_redir
     catch {
-    shellfilter::stack::remove stderr $id_stderr_redir
-    shellfilter::stack::remove stdout $id_stdout_redir
+        shellfilter::stack::remove stderr $chanstack_stderr_redir
+        shellfilter::stack::remove stdout $chanstack_stdout_redir
     }
 
     #shellfilter::log::write $shellspy_status_log "logtidyup -done- $tidyinfo"
@@ -1083,7 +1123,7 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
             }
         } 
 
-        foreach tclscript_flavour [list tclline punkline tkline tkshellline libscript help] {
+        foreach tclscript_flavour [list tclline punkline punkshellline tkline tkshellline libscript help] {
             if {[dict exists $arglist dispatch $tclscript_flavour result error]} {
                 catch {
                     set colour [punk::ansi::a+ yellow bold]; set reset [punk::ansi::a]
@@ -1102,7 +1142,7 @@ source [file normalize $scriptname]
     if {[dict exists $arglist errorCode]} {
         exit [dict get $arglist errorCode]
     }
-    foreach tclscript_flavour [list tclline punkline tkline tkshellline libscript help] {
+    foreach tclscript_flavour [list tclline punkline punkshellline tkline tkshellline libscript help] {
         if {[dict exists $arglist dispatch $tclscript_flavour result result]} {
             puts -nonewline stdout [dict get $arglist dispatch $tclscript_flavour result result]
             exit 0